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Chakra Debate Feedback Mixed With Arsenic
BY IRG HONGKONG
EDITORIAL, Jul 31 (VNN) In a desperate attempt to rid the world of the "poison" of the rtvik system of initiation as instructed by Srila Prabhupada on this matter in his final directive letter to the Society on July 9th 1977, Chakra has "accidentally" mixed its own poison formula of cheating and lying in its debate feedback, obviously derived from its original roots or "traditional Parampara" that the representative of Chakra was so fond of quoting in the recent debate. This "traditional Parampara " of cheating lying and covering up was established in 1978 by Chakras present strong leading supporters, namely the remaining surviving founding fathers of the poisonous zonal acarya system and their later poisonous by products produced in the so called Guru reform movement in 1987.
On first sight one can marvel at how many devotees all around the worlds ISKCON temples have so dedicatedly and scrutinizingly taken up the time to follow up with the recent debate from beginning to end, and how after "some time" of "careful and thoughtful deliberation" they have come to the "sober" (???) conclusions by voting to reject "ritvikism" as they, (and NOT Srila Prabhupada) have decided to call it. (Srila Prabhupada used the word "rtvik"- and defined it as "representative of the acarya", or he termed them as "officiating acaryas", but NEVER used the word "ritvikism").
However on a closer look there is an infestation of major problems in Chakras Debate feedback of this "ocean" of temple devotees and congregation members rejecting the rtvik system. If one who is actually familiar or has been a part of any of these respective temples for a reasonable amount of time, (until his or her recent partial or full ban by the temple authorities for accepting rtvik ), and personally knows or has had a relationship with the devotees or congregation members only to find that they have suddenly "voluntarily" and "wholeheartedly" signed their names in the Chakra Debate feedback, it only strengthens ones faith in Srila Prabhupads final Order for ISKCON, namely the rtvik system. It also makes one more disgusted to see the continuos lying and forced cheating mentality of many of these "Guru can fall down and still be a Guru" supporters (Please see ISKCON "law" Book Page 69, Tx 6. 5. 1. 3), on their subjects or subordinates who are the general temple devotees and congregation members.
Thus one can perceive the mood of utter desperation and panic in the part of the Temple leaders who were requested by some members of the GBC, and Chakra to organize such a "unanimous" debate feedback vote against the rtvik issue on the "kind behalf" of the rest of the respective temple devotees and congregation members. This time however they could not even plan their cheating and lying in an intelligent manner because of their sick Kali Yuga hurry. This is vividly shown in their pledges of rejecting rtvik by "accidentally" and inconsiderately adding the names of many temple devotees or congregation members who fall in one, or more of the following categories:
Have completely zero idea about the debate or issue, on both sides, or Have some idea that there is some dispute on the Guru issue between two groups of devotees but have no further interest and not cared to study the issues on both sides in even a basic manner what to speak of studying the issue in a detailed method, Who may have heard the issue from the temple authorities and some fanatic devotees in the temple, but yet never heard of the issue from the rtvik side, and so are either innocently or knowingly prejudiced to the rtvik side.
Who may actually be supporting the rtvik system wholeheartedly by careful study of the issue on both sides, but have yet to reveal to the temple leaders or board members of their stand, for fear of not being allowed to enter or perform their services in the temple grounds as they have seen more senior devotees than them experienced in recent time. Who were NEVER EVER informed of this Magnanimous Chakra Debate or its Feedback, and had NEVER EVER given their permission to the Hongkong Temple authorities to write down their names to reject rtvik.
Who may be supporters of the present guru system, but were still NEVER EVER INFORMED of such a "historic" Chakra Debate or its magnificent" feedback and that their names would be mentioned on it.
Now we will show the reader how practically one such temple, namely the Hongkong temple, (New Hastinapur) has diligently voted to continue following the "traditional Parampara" system of cheating lying and covering up, established by many ISKCON leaders since the departure of Srila Prabhupada:
Following are some of the names of devotees and congregation members in Hongkong Temple who fit in either one or more of the above mentioned categories, but WHO ALL UNANIMOUSLY AND DEFINITELY FIT IN CATEGORY NUMBER FIVE.
Initiated Members : (1) Brhat Mrdanga das (2) Hrdaya Govinda das (3) Krsna Kanti devi dasi (4) Bhaktivinoda das (5) Radhika Devi dasi (6) Tarun Krsna Das (7) Krsna Bhrnga das (8) Gandiva Devi dasi (9) Sankarsana das (10) Caturbhuja das (11) Harichandan das (12) Srinath das (13) Yogini Devi Dasi (14) Panchali Devi dasi (15) Amrita Devi Dasi (16) Paurnamasi Devi dasi (17) Saci Devi dasi, (18) Bhagavati devi dasi.
Congregation members : (1) Bhakta Fai (2) Mr N Sharma, (3) Mrs Sharma (4) Bhaktin Vinita, age 13 years old (5) Haridas, aged 12 years old, (6) Bhakta Manoj (7) Bhakta Manojs wife) (8) Yogita Sharma (9) Bhakta Peter (10) Bhakta Peters wife (11) Bhakta Venu (12) Bhakta Man (13) Bhakta Ranjit (14) Bhakta Dhananjaya (15) Bhakta Bhagavan (16) Bhaktin Shaksi (17) Bhakta Mo (18) Bhakta Rakesh (19) Bhakta Kabel (20) (Bhakta Wu Chung Fai (21) Bhaktin Parthiba (22) Bhakta Pratheek (23) Bhakta Darshan Patel (24) Bhakta Bhanga Darshan (25) Bhaktin Rebbeca (26) Bhaktin Margaret (27) Bhakta Yeung Chi Kat (28) Bhakta John (29) Bhakta David (30) Bhakta Lo Hung Cheung (31) Bhaktin Bharka (32) Bhakta Jimmy (33) Bhaktin Purvi (34) Bhakta Ka Li (35) Bhaktin Mrs. Cheok (36) Last, but NOT least, Rohini Devi Dasi, (Age 1 and a half year old Baby.
Please note that the number of initiated devotees in Hongkong who "rejected" the rtvik issue mentioned in the Chakra Debate feedback vote are a total number of Twenty seven (27). Yet the reader can see in our list above that at least all Eighteen (18) of these initiated members mentioned, DEFINITELY fall in Category number Five, (mentioned above) if not more. The number of Congregation members in Hongkong who "rejected" the rtviks mentioned in the Chakra Debate feedback are Thirty Seven (37), yet we have shown the reader that Thirty six (36) of them also DEFINITELY do fall in Category NUMBER FIVE, if not more. (We request the reader to kindly use his or her calculator to calculate the percentage of cheating going on here after seeing these figures).
Category number Five means that they were never informed in the first place of the debate, or that they ever had to vote or that their names were going to be mentioned in the vote against rtvik, when they were never even given the chance to see or hear or follow up the debate in the very first place, so that they could make up their own minds. This shows us that definitely ISKCON society these days have actually degraded to the level of material cults or sects where the new followers are not given the proper facility to make their own choices on the philosophical disputes arising between two groups of senior members in their respective societies, and whom the leaders manipulate by using their names in an unauthorized manner to support their own agenda.
Another interesting point is that our "truthful" Hongkong Temple authorities mentions the names of two most vital "voters", one from Hongkong, (the last voter) Rohini Devi dasi, and also they organized the names of votes against rtvik from Khasadesa (China) and for the city Nandagram, the Chakra debate feedback mentions another vital "voter", Madhuri Dasi. Indeed these two "voters" names are so vital that the entire number of worlds temple devotees and congregation members mentioned in the "Vote" against ritvik in the webpage of the Chakra Debate feedback rests solely on these two persons "vote" because if not, their whole Debate feedback completely collapses.
Interestingly there is just one "small" problem here, as one of these two "voters" has just made her gracious appearance in this world One and a half years ago (Rohini Devi dasi ), and the other (Madhuri Devi Dasi) only Eight (8) months ago, and both ARE UNABLE to even vote between crying for the day or drinking their mothers breast milk, what to speak of receiving the "honor" of voting on the Chakra Debate feedback against us poor rtviks.
Therefore such disgustingly blatant foolish cheating and lying are sure signs that the Chakra anti rtvik supporters and organizers of this debate feedback are really losing it fast, because just to get as many names as they can to be printed on the Chakra Debate Feedback, they can go so low, as to involve eight month old and one and a half year old innocent babies in their dirty games of politics cheating and lying. It also shows that these Chakra Debate Feedback Organizers and actual Supporters (Excluding those who have been innocently beguiled by having their names jotted down) brains are also fast regressing back to the status of their "MAIN" Eight-month-old "voter" or at best to their One and a half year old "voter".
Srila Prabhupada often made the comparison that to test if rice is cooked, one just takes one grain of rice from the cooking Pot to see its result. Therefore in this article we have just taken one grain, the Hongkong temple to show the reader and the world, and have proved that the whole pot of rice of the Chakra Debate feedback with its many worldwide "temple devotees" and "congregation members" "names" to reject rtvik certainly is as raw and uncooked and also contains arsenic in its highest levels. Such fabrication of names just to make an impression to innocent newcomers will only backfire on Chakra, the GBC and ISKCON, for they are sure to lose more devotees and potential devotees than they already have for the past 22 years.
Other members of IRG around the world who know their respective temple leaders devotees and congregation members are taking out more grains of rice and so will soon keep you informed. Therefore kindly stay tuned.
Your servants at IRG (HONGKONG).
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