10/24/1998 - 2407

The Missing Quotes

Editorial (VNN) - by Gauranga Prema Das

A letter I previously sent to each member of the GBC:

Dear GBC representatives
Please accept my respectful obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

While traveling to most of the ISKCON communities throughout NorthAmerica I have met many respected authorities, who have instructed me tosubmit several quotes which I have collected, made by Srila Prabhupada, to theGBC. Recently I have compiled these quotes in the order which theyappear in this letter. Before compiling these quotes, I read all of SrilaPrabhupada's books and then extensively reviewed the subject beingdiscussed in this presentation. Please inform me if I have taken any ofthe quotes out of context, with regard to the overall instructions ofSrila Prabhupada.

Could you also kindly explain to me how there is noconflict of interests or contradictions in instructions, between theresolution passed by the GBC in Feb. 96 (which stated that the templepresidents shall take into account any specific suggestions offered by thespiritual masters in regard to guiding their disciples and assigning services,and that the temple president shall make the final decision onthe services of the devotees based on considerations of effectivemanagement) and the statements made by Srila Prabhupada in the followingcompilation of quotes. Please include references from Srila Prabhupada'sbooks, letters etc. in your response to my inquiries, so that I will beable to more effectively and expediently utilize the system of guru,sastra, sadhu in my attempt to gain a better understanding of the issuesat hand, and please forgive me for any offenses I may have committedunintentionally. Thank you.

 Aspiring to be the sincere
 servant of the servant,

 Yours Truly,
 Gauranga Prema Dasa



   I HAVE DONE HALF THE WORK

  NOW YOU HAVE TO DO THE OTHER HALF:

 VARNASRAMA PREACHING

 BY

  HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C.BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI

 - SRILA PRABHUPADA -

THE SCIENCE OF SELF REALIZATION pg. 223:

Kalau sudra-sambhavah: In this age practically all men are sudras. . .but to maintain social order you have to train some of the sudras tobecome brahmanas.

SSR pg. 232 (Conversation with Professor Kotovsky in 1971):

Srila Prabhupada: One who seriously comes to us has to become a brahmana,so he should adopt the occupation of a brahmana and give up theoccupation of a ksatriya or sudra. . . . . But if one wants to keep hisprofession and also at the same time understand our movementthat is allowed. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu teaches that it does not matterwhether one is a . . . brahmana or a sudra. Lord Caitanya says, "Anyonewho understands the science of Krsna becomes my spiritual master."

SSR pg. 223 1971:

. . . to maintain social order you have to train some of the sudras to becomebrahmanas.(1971 conversation with Professor Kotovsky)



Conversations With Srila Prabhupada Vol. 8 pg. 321 1974:

Dr. Patel: Here you have got brahmanas also.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 301 1974:

Srila Prabhupada: So everywhere in each center this system should beintroduced, and there must be practical application of varnasrama. At the sametime this program of devotional service.

Siksamrta Vol. 3 pg. 2539

74-03 "You must be very careful before you award the brahminical thread byrecommending a man to me. Now that we are dividing our society into fourorders, as much as possible it is not that every man has to be made a brahmanaafter a year." (SPL to Trai dasa May 27 1974)

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302:

Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava is transcendental, but for proper management of thematerial world, one should be acting like a brahmana, one should be actinglike a ksatriya. That is required. If need be he has to act asksatriya or a sudra. It doesn't matter. But manage, for management thedivision must be there. Otherwise it will be mismanagement.

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300:

Srila Prabhupada: For the management of affairs we require to divide.Those who are fit for management and protection they should be trained asksatriya . . . so in our society this division should be there.

Movie: Final Lesson, November 1977:

Srila Prabhupada: Establish varnasrama-dharma.

CWSP Johannesburg, Oct. 16, 1975:

Harikesa: How in the beginning... Let's say you have a king...

Prabhupada: Beginning Krsna.

Harikesa: No, no. Let's say you have a king, and he is deciding thisperson is worthy of...

Prabhupada: No, no. Beginning Krsna. Why don't you read Bhagavad-gita?You don't know?

Harikesa: No, no. Yes.

Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?

Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.

Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be inorder. But you are not taking Krsna's advice. You are manufacturingyour hellish ideas.

Harikesa: No, I was just wondering how one would be able to see who was actingin a certain way unless they were first engaged in something. They have to bedoing some activity...

Prabhupada: No, no.

Harikesa: So you can see what kind of quality they have.

Prabhupada: No, no. Take everyone is rascal, then train them. That is wanted.Take everyone as rascal. There is no question that here is intelligent man,here is rascal, here is the... No. First of all take them all as rascals andtrain them. That is wanted. That is wanted now. At the present moment thewhole world is full of rascals. Now if they take to Krsna consciousness,select amongst them. Just like I am training you. You are brahmana bytraining. So one who is prepared to be trained as brahmana classify him in thebrahmana. One is trained up as ksatriya, classify him. In this waycatur-varnyam maya srs...

Harikesa: And that ksatriya would engage everyone basically as sudra. Then...

Prabhupada: No, no, no. You pick up... You take the whole mass of people assudra. Then...

Harikesa: Pick out.

Prabhupada: Pick out. And rest who is neither brahmana, nor ksatriya, norvaisya, then he is sudra, That's all. Very easy thing. If he cannot be trainedup as engineer, then he remains a common man. There is no force. This is theway of organizing society. There is no force. Sudra is also required. . . . .

There is no need of money. The brahmana teaches everything free of charge. . .. . Anyone can take education as a brahmana or a ksatriya, as a vaisya. Thereis no... vaisya doesn't require any education. Ksatriyas require little.Brahmana require. But that is free. Just find out a brahmana guru and he willgive you free education.

SSR pg. 211:

Some sudras may be given technical education, but most sudras should work onthe farms.

Everyone should be tested to find out which education he is suited for.

SSR pg. 210:

You cannot engage a bull in the business of a horse, nor can you engage ahorse in the business of a bull.

Room Conversation, February 14, 1977, Mayapur:

Srila Prabhupada: Not everybody. Why are you misunderstanding? Varnasrama, noteverybody brahmana.

Hari Sauri: No, but in our society practically everyone is being raised tothat platform.

Srila Prabhupada: Everybody is being raised, but they are falling down.

Hari Sauri: So then we make it more difficult to get brahminical initiation.After four or five years.

Srila Prabhupada: Not necessary. You remain as ksatriya. . . . . Not that asudra man must by force become a brahmana. You cannot improve. That is notpossible. But even if he remains a sudra and does accordingly, he will get thesame position as devotee. . . . . He will get the perfection.

Siks Vol. 3 pg. 2538:

74-04 "You have analyzed that you are distressed because you are notgiven an engagement in Krsna consciousness. This observation is correct.Unless we are engaged with all our senses and intelligence in serving Krsnawhere is the question of Krsna consciousness? We are reading herein the evenings how in the fourth chapter of Bhagavad-gita Krsna has arrangedfor catur-varnyam, the division of four orders, whereby everyone has someengagement according to his personal propensity, his quality and work, andthus everyone can go back to Godhead while performing theirwork."

Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.28.2 pp.:

One should seek out a bona fide spiritual master and surrender unto him, forby inquiring from and worshiping him one can learn spiritualactivities. As long as we have this material body there are various dutiesprescribed for us. Such duties are divided by a system of four social orders:brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra.

Siks Vol. 3 pg. 2542

75-01 "If one is capable, then he should preach. On the whole oursociety should be divided into four divisions, but such divisionsare not material. Just like Krsna belonged to the vaisya communitybut He is worshiped by the brahmanas."

SSR pg. 324:

In any society you can see that unless there are these four divisions, therewill be chaos. It will not work properly. It will be Maya, andthere will be disturbances.

Back To Godhead

Seattle Washington, Oct. 10, 1968,

Srila Prabhupada Speaks Out:

There is no question of interpretation. Then the authority is gone. As soon asyou interpret, there is no authority. . . . . And those who areinterpreting unnecessarily, they should be rejected immediately.Immediately, without consideration.

SSR pg. 229:

Srila Prabhupada: If you can substantiate your statements by quotationsfrom the Vedas, then they are accepted. You are not required to substantiate them in other ways.

SB 6.16.41 pp.:

Bhagavat-dharma has no contradictions.

SB 4.24.53 pp.:

Detailed explanation of conversation between Lord Caitanya and Ramananda Raya regarding varnasrama-dharma:

The conclusion is that if one is serious about liberation he should not onlyexecute the occupational duties of varnasrama-dharma but should also engage inbhakti-yoga.

SB 1.9.26 pp.:

The varnas are so to speak classifications of different occupations, andasrama-dharma is gradual progress on the path of self realization. Both areinterrelated, and one is dependent on the other.

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 303:

Atreya Rsi: So in our movement the leaders must decide how every devotee andevery resource is engaged properly.

Prabhupada: That is leadership. That is leadership, which man is fitted forwhich work.

SB 4.8.36 pp.:

The philosophical spirit enunciated by Narada-Muni might have been suitablefor a brahmana spirit but it was not suitable for a ksatriya.

BHAGAVAD-GITA 1.36 pp.:

Arjuna was saintly and therefore wanted to deal with them in saintliness. Thiskind of saintliness however is not for a ksatriya.

SB 1.2.2 pp.:

Ultimately the aim of varnasrama-dharma is to turn a crude man into a puredevotee of the Lord.

Bg. 3.35 pp.:

Everyone has to cleanse his heart by a gradual process, not abruptly. Howeverwhen one transcends the modes of material nature and is fullysituated in Krsna consciousness, he can perform anything and everything underthe guidance of a bona fide spiritual master. In that completestage of Krsna consciousness the ksatriya may act as a brahmana, or abrahmana may act as a ksatriya. For example Visvamitra was originally aksatriya, but later on he acted as a brahmana, whereas Parasurama was abrahmana but later on he acted as a ksatriya. Being transcendentallysituated they could do so, but as long as one is on the material platformhe must perform his duties according to the modes of material nature. Atthe same time he must have a full sense of Krsna consciousness. (Bg. 3-20pp.: Kings like Janaka . . . all self realized souls . . .transcendentally situated . . . no obligation to perform the prescribed dutiesin the Vedas, nonetheless they performed all prescribed activities to setexamples for the people in general. . . . . Lord Krsna and Arjuna, the Lords eternal friend had no need to fight . . . but they fought just toteach the people in general. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: Ifneed be he (a vaisnava) has to act as ksatriya or a sudra . . . butmanage, for management the division must be there. Otherwise it will bemismanagement. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: our society. CWSPVol. 7 pg. 301: Srila Prabhupada: each center).

SB 7.11 Summarization of the chapter:

One who follows the garbhadhana samskara system is actually twiceborn, butthose who do not, who deviate from the principles of varnasrama-dharma arecalled dvija-bhandus. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: If need be he (avaisnava) has to act as ksatriya or a sudra . . . but manage, for managementthe division must be there. CWSP pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: in our society).

Bg. 3.15 pp.:

Anything performed without the direction of the Vedas is called vikarma, orunauthorized, or sinful work.

Collected lectures on Srimad Bhagavatam Vol. 1 pg. 628:

Not that so-called brahmanas and so-called ksatriyas, they have no information of Visnu and they are declaring, "I am brahmana, I am ksatriya."They are called, according to sastra brahma-bhandu and dvija-bhandu.

SB 7.11.20 pp.:

Although the Krsna consciousness movement is a movement of brahmanas andvaisnavas, it is trying to re-establish the divine varnasrama system, forwithout this division of society there cannot be peace and prosperityanywhere. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava istranscendental. But for proper management of the material world one should beacting like a brahmana, one should be acting like a ksatriya.That is required. If need be he has to act as ksatriya or a sudra. It doesn'tmatter. But manage, for management the division must be there.Otherwise it will be mismanagement. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: Forthe management of affairs we require to divide. Those who are fit for management and protection, they should be trained as ksatriya . .. so in our society this division should be there. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 301: SrilaPrabhupada: So everywhere, in each center this system should be introduced andthere must be practical application of varnasrama. At the same time thisprogram of devotional service).

Bg. 2.31 pp.:

As long as one is not liberated, one has to perform the duties of thatparticular body in accordance with religious principles in order to achieveliberation.

Nectar of Devotion Chapter 13, pg. 113:

SB 11.2.8: One should execute the prescribed duties of varna and asrama aslong as one has not developed spontaneous attachment for hearing about mypastimes and activities. All of these things are recommended for persons whohave not developed Krsna consciousness. . . . . But one whohas already developed spontaneous attachment for Krsna does not require toexecute the duties in the scriptures. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada:For the management of affairs we require to divide. . . . . in our society.CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava is transcendental, but forproper management of the material world one should be acting like a brahmana,one should be acting like a ksatriya...)

SB 3.22.7 pp.:

The real fact is that a bona fide spiritual master knows the nature of aparticular man and what sort of duties he can perform in Krsnaconsciousness, and he instructs him in that way. He instructs him throughthe ear, not privately but publicly. "You are fit for such and such work inKrsna consciousness. You can act in this way." One person is advised to act inKrsna consciousness by working in the deities room, another isadvised to act in Krsna consciousness by performing editorial work, another isadvised to do preaching work, and another is advised to carryout Krsna consciousness in the cooking department. There are differentdepartments of activity in Krsna consciousness, and a spiritual master knowingthe particular ability of a man trains him in such a way that byhis tendency to act he becomes perfect. Bhagavad-gita makes it clear that onecan attain the highest perfection of spiritual life by offeringservice according to his ability, just as Arjuna served Krsna by his abilityin the military art. Arjuna offered his service as a military manand he became perfect. . . . . One who wants to be certain to achievespiritual success must take instruction from the spiritual master as to whathis particular function is. (SB 3.28.2 pp.: One should seek out a bona fidespiritual master and surrender unto him, for by inquiring from and worshipinghim one can learn spiritual activities. As long as we have this material bodythere are various duties prescribed for us. Such duties are divided by asystem of four social orders: brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra). CWSP Vol.7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: In our society. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302: SrilaPrabhupada: This division should be there).

Bg. 2.49 pp.:

One who has actually come to understand one's constitutional position as theeternal servitor of the Lord gives up all engagements save working in Krsnaconsciousness. Except for work in Krsna consciousness all activities areabominable because they continually bind the worker to the cycle of birth anddeath. (SB) 3-28-2 pp.: One should seek out a bona fide spiritual master andsurrender unto him, for by inquiring from and worshiping him one can learnspiritual activities. As long as we have this material body there are variousduties prescribed for us. Such duties are divided by a system of four socialorders: brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya and sudra).

Srila Prabhupada Lecture April 9 1975 Hyderbad, India:

"Everyone has got a particular tendency to serve Krsna in a different way.Everyone has got his particular propensity."

Bg. 4.13 pp.:

The above mentioned divisions are created by the Lord for the systematicdevelopment of Krsna consciousness. The tendency of a particular man towardwork is determined by the modes of material nature which he has acquired.

Bg. 18.47 pp.:

The conclusion is that everyone should be engaged according to theparticular mode of nature he has acquired, and he should decide to work onlyto serve the supreme cause of the Supreme Lord.

Bg. 1.42 pp.:

The four orders of human society, combined with family welfare activitiesas they are set forth by the institution of the sanatana-dharma orvarnasrama-dharma, are designed to enable a human being to attain his ultimatesalvation. Therefore the breaking of the sanatana-dharmatradition by irresponsible leaders of society brings about chaos in thatsociety, and consequently people forget the aim of life-Visnu. Such leadersare called blind and persons who follow such leaders are sure tobe lead into chaos. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: In oursociety this division should be there. CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 301: SrilaPrabhupada: In each center).

SB 1.19.4 pp.:

The life of a human being is a chance to prepare oneself to go back toGodhead, or to get rid of the material existence, the repetition of birth anddeath. Thus in the system of varnasrama-dharma every man and woman is trainedfor this purpose. In other words the system of varnasrama-dharma is also knownas sanatana-dharma, or the eternal occupation. The system of varnasrama-dharmaprepares a man for going back to Godhead.

SB 7.11.2 pp.:

The eternal occupational duty can be organized through the institution ofvarnasrama, in which there are four varnas (brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya andsudra) and four asramas...

Bhagavad-gita Introduction:

The whole purpose of Bhagavad-gita is to revive our sanatana-occupation, orsanatana-dharma which is the eternal occupation of the living entity.

Bg. 6.17 pp.:

As far as work is concerned, a Krsna conscious person does not do anythingwhich is not connected with Krsna's interest.

Bg. Introduction:

We are temporarily engaged in different activities, but all these can bepurified when we give up all these temporary activities and take up theactivities which are prescribed by the Supreme Lord. That is called our purelife. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 303: Atreya Rsi: So in our movement the leaders mustdecide how every devotee and every resource is engaged properly. SrilaPrabhupada: That is leadership. That is leadership, whichman is fitted for which work).

Bg. 18.6 pp.:

All sacrifices which are meant for material advancement in life should begiven up.

Bg. 18.66 pp.:

There is no need of thinking how one should keep the body and soul together.Krsna will see to that.

SB 1.2.13 pp.:

The varnasrama institution is constructed to enable one to realize theabsolute truth. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 307: Srila Prabhupada: So everywhere in eachcenter this system should be introduced, and there must be practicalapplication of varnasrama. At the same time this program of devotionalservice).

CWSP Vol. 14 pg. 281:

Mrs. Wax: Who will decide what the propensities are Srila Prabhupada?

Srila Prabhupada: The book of knowledge. You can read Bhagavad-gita. (SB3.22.7 pp.: A bona fide spiritual master knows the particular nature of aman...)

SB 6.7.12 pp.:

If the American people are serious about curbing the degraded criminal life oftheir nation they must take to the Krsna consciousness movement and try tocreate the kind of human society advised in the Bhagavad-gita (catur-varnyammaya srstam guna karma vibhagasah). They must divide their nation into firstclass men, second class men, third class men and fourth class men.

SB 8.20.11 pp.:

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu is worshiped by the properexecution of prescribed duties in the system of varna and asrama. There is noother way to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

CWSP Johannesburg, Oct. 16, 1975:

Harikesa: It seems unless there is some monarch who is ruling over the wholeworld, one personality...

Prabhupada: No, not... Yes, whole world. He must be rajarsi, just likeMaharaja Yudhisthira, representative of Krsna. He can divide to small kings.

SB 9.10.53:

When Lord Ramacandra the Supreme Personality of Godhead was the king of thisworld, all bodily and mental suffering, disease, old age,bereavement, lamentation, distress, fear and fatigue were completely absent.There was even no death for those who did not want it.

pp.: A similar situation could be introduced immediately, even in this age ofKali.

Srila Prabhupada Letter to Prabhakar May 31 1975, regarding the introductionand establishment of Krsna-consciousness andvarnasrama-dharma:

"But I think it can be done immediately without any loss of time, provided youare serious about it."

SB 9.10.51 pp.:

Among the four yugas- Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, the Kali-yuga is theworst, but if the process of varnasrama-dharma is introduced, even in this ageof Kali, the situation of Satya-yuga can be invoked. The Hare Krsna movementis meant for this purpose.

SB 9.15.15 pp.:

In Kali-yuga as stated in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.2.13 dasyu-prayesu rajasu: Theruling class (rajanya) will be no better than plunderes(dasyus) because thethird class and fourth class men will monopolize the affairs of thegovernment. (CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 300: Srila Prabhupada: For themanagement of affairs we require to divide. Those who are fit for managementand protection they should be trained as ksatriya. CWSPVol. 7 pg. 302: Srila Prabhupada: Vaisnava is transcendental, but for propermanagement of the material world, one should be acting like a brahmana, oneshould be acting like a ksatriya. If need be he has to act as ksatriya or asudra. It doesn't matter. But manage, for management the division must bethere. Otherwise it will be mismanagement. (The Art ofTeaching pg. 157: Srila Prabhupada: Not that a sudra man must by force becomea brahmana. You cannot improve. That is not possible. But even ifhe remains a sudra and does accordingly, he will get the same position asdevotee. . . . . He will get the perfection).

CWSP Vol. 3 pg. 207:

Srila Prabhupada: We hope one day some of our men will become president.

CWSP Vol. 19 pg. 337:

Srila Prabhupada: The government's duty is to see that everyone is actuallyreligious and moral. It doesn't matter if he follows some type of religion. Todiscriminate that Hindu religion is good, Muslim religion is... then youcannot act as king. (SB 4-21-25 pp.: A responsible government must teach Krsnaconsciousness very vigorously for the benefit of all).

CWSP Vol. 9 pg. 23:

Srila Prabhupada: Christianism means vaisnavism.

SB 4.8.26:

How wonderful are the powerful ksatriyas. They cannot tolerate even a slightinfringement upon their prestige. pp.: The qualifications of a ksatriya aredescribed in the Bhagavad-gita. Two important qualifications are to have asense of prestige and not to flee in battle. (SB 4.8.36 pp.: The philosophicalspirit enunciated by Narada-Muni might have been suitable for a brahmanaspirit but it was not suitable for a ksatriya spirit...)

CWSP Vol. 8 pg. 342:

Srila Prabhupada: This is also devotion, to teach a ksatriya because this isnecessary in society. This is also devotion.

Bg. 3.35 pp.:

As such for a ksatriya, it is better to be vanquished following the rules ofviolence than to imitate a brahmana who follows the principles ofnon-violence.

Bg. 3.20 pp.:

Violence is also necessary in a situation where good arguments fail.

Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta Vol. 6 pg. 232:

"The pen is mightier than the sword," Ramesvara declared. "Yes," SrilaPrabhupada answered. "It is a revolution. That is what I thought as I wrote onand on..."

CWSP Vol. 3 pg. 208:

Srila Prabhupada: When there is need of fight, we shall fight.

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 302:

Srila Prabhupada: Ksatriyas should be taught that he is manager.

Little Drops of Nectar:

Srila Prabhupada: Managers must make sure everything is kept clean. That isgood management.

SB 3.22.4:

The brahmanas and ksatriyas protect each other as well as themselves. pp.: The entire social structure of varna and asrama is a co-operative systemmeant to uplift all to the highest platform of spiritual realization.

CWSP Vol. 15 pg. 251:

Srila Prabhupada: Ksatriyas may marry more than one wife. They can take sothat all girls must be married.

CWSP pg. 252 & 253:

Nityananda: Are you saying that our men should have more than one wife?

Srila Prabhupada: I have no objection.

Satsvarupa: That's a difficult proposition.

Srila Prabhupada: Why?

Satsvarupa: It's illegal.

Nityananda: No one knows who is married or unmarried, but if you have...

Srila Prabhupada: That is not very difficult. . . . . If you don't call wifeyou can have. The law allows you to keep boyfriend, girlfriend. Instead ofcalling husband, call friend. To keep more than one wife by trained up man isnot disallowed. . . . .

Nityananda: The general public does not approve of that.

Srila Prabhupada We don't care.

CWSP May 16, 1975:

Srila Prabhupada: If you can maintain each and every wife you can marrymore than one wife.

Bg. 3.15 pp.:

We should always remember that the conditioned souls in material nature areall eager for material enjoyment. But the Vedic directions are so made thatone can satisfy ones perverted desires then return to Godhead having finishedhis so-called enjoyment. (note: Srila Prabhupada: One should not become ahusband, a father or a guru etc. unless he is capable of delivering hisdependents from the cycle of birth and death).

SB 9.10.50 pp.:

People must be trained according to the different varnasrama occupationalduties. The purpose of varnasrama-dharma is to enable people to become Godconscious. . . . . There must be schools and colleges to train students tobecome brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras...

CWSP Vol. 7 pg. 313, re: Varnasrama-college:

Srila Prabhupada: First of all varna, then asrama. When varna is perfectly inorder then asrama. Asrama is specifically meant for spiritual advancement, andvarna is general division.

CWSP Vol. 8 pg. 341:

Pancadravida: How do you teach a varnasrama-college? In varnasrama-college ifsomebody comes in, they say I want to be a ksatriya or I want to be avaisya... Is it like that?

Srila Prabhupada: No. That will be tested by the teachers, what for he is fit.He will be test by the guru.