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EDITORIAL September 9, 2000 VNN6225 Comment on this story Rohini Suta's Fall Down? BY AMEYATMA DASA EDITORIAL, Sep 9 (VNN) — The following is Ameyatma dasa's views on excerpts of the official GBC release regarding Rohini Suta and his marrying his own disciple. >> "Rohini Suta Prabhu, an initiating spiritual master and a GBC zonal secretary for parts of Germany, the CIS and the former Yugoslavia Republic, has notified the GBC Executive Committee and the leaders of ISKCON in Europe of his desire to change from brahmacari to grihastha ashrama. [...] It is that Rohini Suta Prabhu's intended wife had been first of all his initiated disciple. Hence the proposed union goes against a well-established ethical principle that prohibits marriage between a guru and a disciple."
Stop right there. It just doesn't go against ethics. It goes against the teachings of ISKCON's Founder-Acharya. It goes against the teachings of our whole Sampradaya. It goes against the principles of our entire philosophy of what a guru is. Who are the GBC trying to fool? They are too weak to stand up and rule ISKCON according to ethical principals what to speak of Srila Prabhupad's teachings. Or, they have no idea what our philosophy is or what the hell they are doing. >> "Nevertheless, in this particular case" The problem is, when EVER it is a problem with an authorized diksha guru it is "always" a Special case. So they ditch Prabhupad's words on the floor while they break all the rules -again- for this new "special" case. (I just finished a big Feast at the temple - so I must be feeling my Wheaties - I'm a bit more testy then usual) >> "we see that this proposed marriage, in spite of its irregular aspect, may still be able to serve in the advancement of Krishna consciousness." AAAhhh!! Pinch me, am I awake or is this some hellish nightmare? A (spiritual) father is having sex with his (spiritual) daughter and our ill-lust-stree-ous GBC are telling us that such an immoral and disgusting act "MAY" actually serve in the "Advancement" of "Krishna Consciousness" ? ? I read this, word for word, to my wife and the first thing she did was start laughing. Then she said, very soberly and upset, "What is wrong with them, how can they even think that sanctioning such a thing as a father marrying his own daughter could in any way help in the advancement of our spiritual society?" She said, "It is such a demoniac act, for a father to marry his own daughter, where is this GBC at?". Since the GBC now allow women on the GBC, I therefore petition that my wife be made an official GBC. She has actually got more intelligence then what I am reading from the rest of them. >> "Both parties are mature individuals who sincerely desire to progress in Krishna consciousness and to give Krishna consciousness to others [...] In general, Rohini Suta Prabhu may continue to give spiritual instruction and guidance to his initiated disciples and others who have taken spiritual shelter of him." On this same topic of a guru having sex with his own disciple, here is what Srila Prabhupada had to say: "Even he has no moral sense, apart from spiritual knowledge. According to human social constitution, one should not have sex life with daughter, with mother and sister. And what is this? If one has sex life with daughter, then where is the moral life?" (Room Conversation, May 31st, 1974) Neither does our whole GBC have any Moral Sense. This incident shows, plain and clear, that our entire GBC is bereft of all moral sense, apart from lacking in spiritual knowledge. One of them engages in this immoral and irreligious and sick act, and the rest of the GBC SANCTION it. They give their FORMAL APPROVAL to such a thing. KNOWINGLY and Purposefully our GBC sanction this, and then, to make it really laughable, they actually say that this may actually serve in the "Advancement" of Krishna Consciousness. SanKirtan, Book Distribution, Prasad Distribution, adherence to moral religious principles, these are the things that serve to advance our Krishna Consciousness. But, our GBC are saying that spiritual fathers who lay with and marry their spiritual daughters, these acts are now right up there with Glorifying the Holy Name. It is right up there with Distributing Prabhupad's books. Great way to go, GBC, you have really put thy big foot in thy big mouth this time. These statements and actions by the GBC are turning this ISKCON branch of our sampradaya and philosophy into a total foolish sham. Where are those who will RULE According to PRABHUPAD LAW, not the GBC's weak concoctions? I wish that that I could become a GBC I would smash this nonsense. Devotees must stand up and demand a stronger and more potent GBC. Another devotee said: > In fact this is a mistake by the GBC... but... > > What else could they do? Many, many disciples of Rohini Suta's > would've been enraged... Oh, never mind they enrage their own god-brothers and Prabhupad's disciples. And, what to speak they seem to care less if they enrage Srila Prabhupad !! What about the Rage of NrsinghaDev ? What else could they do? Simple. Rule According To PRABHUPAD LAW. Prabhupad Uvaca. That is the Alpha and the Omega of our society. If they are thinking they have done this to avoid some repercussions and fall-out, it just goes again to show how useless they have become. Time after time after time after time, when a Diksha Guru, or even sometimes a GBC, falls down they take the side of throwing out Prabhupad's teachings and shastra in favor of making so many special case concessions. I am FED UP with it. Same thing with Hari Kesh, Jayatirtha, Bhavananda. When a diksha guru falls down, they make it a "Special Case", DAMN Right it is a special case, if a guru falls, they should be dealt with the most harshly, the most strict. If a regular devotee falls, the more advanced devotees must be merciful, compassionate and lenient. As Prabhupad was with us. But, if a Temple Pres falls they should be dealt with mildly harsh. He is a leader. Leaders must set the higher standards, they must be "Above Suspicion". And, if it is a GBC, oh, they must be very strict and harsh. They are the top most leaders of our society, they must be held to the highest standards. But, if it is a Diksha Guru who falls, then the GBC must be the MOST Heavy and most STRICT. The post of guru means he is the completely pure, fully self- realized and advanced, and topmost religiously moral. He is the teacher of moral and religious principles, the teacher of spiritual life, the teacher of spiritual purity and potency. The teacher of moral religious principles must be held to the most HIGEST and Most Strict adherence. If one is teaching math, then he has to be a good mathematician. If one is teaching spiritual life, he must be expert. Otherwise the post of Guru becomes so watered down, so weak. The post has become principle-less, moral-less and devoid of spiritual potency. Guru, especially Vaishnav Guru, he is to be the most pure. It is the duty of our GBC to regulate the post of Diksha guru according to the MOST strict and highest standards possible. Bar none. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO SPECIAL CASE. If the GBC were to follow like that, then I would support the ISKCON guru system of diksha. If the GBC were to be strong and demand that the post of diksha guru only be given to those who uphold the highest standards of purity, of religious moral principles, of spiritual advancement, then I will fully support the GBC's diksha guru program. But, I cannot give any such support to such a fallen and decrepit system we have today. It is exactly incidents like this that turn me away from the ISKCON guru system. If a girl's parents can no longer raise the girl and I take in the girl and adopt her as daughter and raise her as my daughter, how can I then turn around and ask to marry her and have sex with her? That would be demoniac. Completely irreligious and immoral. When a guru accepts a girl as his disciple and offers her diksha, he is adopting her as his daughter. He cannot turn around and ask to now have sex with his own daughter. With all due respects to my God Brother, Rohini Suta, for him to have desired this and asked for this is a very grave mistake, a very grave fall down, and shows a complete lack of the understanding of what a guru is, of what a guru's position and responsibilities are. If he understood them properly he could never have allowed his mind to consider such a degraded thing. But, worse then his fall down is the fact that the whole GBC have shown they have lost all their proper understanding because they have sanctioned that a "guru" can have sexual relations with his own daughter, and yet remain authorized to act as guru and spiritual guide to his disciples. This is a lack of any spiritual understanding on the part of the GBC. We need a GBC who will Rule according to PRABHUPADA UVACA. And be fully prepared to hold themselves, and especially the gurus, to the highest standards. No exceptions. Strict, Pure. Then it is glorious. Then the GBC will again become an illustrious GBC, instead of ill and lust-stree-ous. They are concerned that his disciples will become enraged? You mean, they rule ISKCON out of fear? Either way there will be fall out. What else could they do? For one, they tell his disciples, "Guru means to be Pure and to follow and teach the highest moral standards. Your guru has fallen, he is engaging in disgusting immoral behavior. Our duty as GBC is we must preserve the post of Guru and GBC to adhere to the HIGHEST standard of morality, the Highest Standards of Purity. Therefore, we have no choice but to STRONGLY Chastise Rohini. As a devotee who has taken up the grave responsibility of Guru, or social leader, spiritual leader, who accepted this grave and responsible post to be guru, he knows his duty is to adhere to and set the highest of all standards. He has FAILED. Therefore, the duty of the GBC is that we must remove him as GBC, and withdraw our sanction of him as any longer representing this most noble and pure Sampradaya as a bona-fied Diksha guru. Those who have taken initiation from him are recognized to have been properly initiated into this Sampradaya, they now must seek direct shelter from HDG ACBSP. Why can't our GBC lead us like this? Why are they so weak? And, if his disciples reject that, then so be it. That is when we can justifiably say, "What else can be done?" But, I will tell you now, by taking this most disgusting and weak inaction, to appease some temporary mis-directed anger, they have again planted the seeds for even more problems in the future. By "SANCTIONING" someone who is engaging in IMMORAL behavior to remain acting as a Diksha guru, I am at a lost for words. It is pathetic. Simply pathetic. It proves that the GBC have no idea what Guru means. How cheap and low they have dragged the meaning of guru. What is the use of such ISKCON - GBC authorized Gurus? Rather then holding our ISKCON gurus to the highest and most pure moral and spiritual standards, they have dragged the standard of guru into the gutter. What a dis-service to Srila Prabhupad and our whole Sampradaya. The GBC should be kicked. All that will come of this is more and more totally misguided and philosophically off grand-disciples who will be so confused and mixed up. The guidance the GBC is giving is they are authorizing the disciples to still accept as a "guru" a person who has fallen and living such an immoral life. What sort of guidance is this? And to top it off, the GBC are saying that this might even help advance our Krishna Consciousness. These poor souls are in the most need of strong guidance. They need to be told, in no uncertain terms, exactly what is the high and pure standards of a real guru, a leader or GBC. But, the GBC have just told them, hey, look, you can have sex with and marry your own daughter in ISKCON, and not only can you still be accepted as a devotee in good standing, and you can not only be a top most leader, a GBC, but you can even act in the most highest capacity of authorized bona-fied guru. Isn't ISKCON really something? Hey, our gurus are just as good as any other bogi-yogi nonsense. Hey, Prabhupad used to get outraged about such things, but, our GBC is so much more advanced that they see such immoral and irreligious actions as being able to advance us in our Krishna Consciousness. (all right, my feast is wearing off, I am getting off my soap box for now (I was getting dizzy anyway) ) Could some one forward this to the GBC for me. I think they need to know that not everyone supports all of these idiotic decisions. ys ameyatma das Comment on this story  Contact VNN about this storySend this story to a friend
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